the site is dying

[cailie]

hey don't give me the crap that you're all busy with some sort of life.
This site believ it or not has slowed down since the beginning.
Many character threads still haven't been answered
there are threads that have been around for months, but no one has replied to them.

face it people, valcentica has lost its spark,
this place that used to be the best is climbing DOWN my charts

we should do something...asap...

sorry if you get mad.

im only speaking my mind.

[Aleksei Trevelyan]

Let me put it this way:

College applications + NaNoWriMo + Hell Week + Tyler being a cardbox and not updating his plot + AP courses + people having crap computers + thousands of other reasons...

...=/= happy Valcentitime.

If you're unhappy with the site as it stands, nobody's keeping you here. Besides, there's a few RPs going on right now.

Don't count us out yet.

[Ann Xiang]

"hey don't give me the crap that you're all busy with some sort of life."

Let me speak my mind, too. First, learn how to capitalize the beginning of your sentences. Secondly? Screw. Off. Don't pretend you know anything about our other-than-Valcentica lives. (You don't say? We actually have those? /sarcasm) You don't see me being presumptuous about your life, do you? (Though I can hazard a guess as to what kind of life you lead.)

Perhaps you don't understand how busy three AP classes - and the rest of them are honors courses, by the way - can make a person. And I know that some people on here have even more than that.

In other words, I absolutely agree with Kitty.

You need a reality check. For most people, their lives are more important than an RP site. I, for one, think getting into a good college will help me more than posting in some RP forum will.

(You should also realize that yes, we know that Valcentica's going dead. No need for you to be so disgustingly patronizing. And if you're so desperate to get this site up and running again, do something other than whine "we should do something...asap" and make a bloody useful suggestion.)

[swilz]

the creator of rob denan

is a very close friend of mine.

i spoke with him about this after i saw his post, after all, it was a little rude. I yelled at him, and tried to get as much information out of him, before we had to leave for class.

the problem is, that, my firend rob denan, is very impulsive. And I have had characters on this site since the beginning so i know what it was all lke in the beginning. True it was small, and what not. It has grown quite a bit since then. But i assure, what he speaks is not to insult any of you. What he speaks of is the truth.
This site has lost some spark since the beginning.

Don't go and think he is a snob, because that is just as rude. How would you feel, if someone said while you weren't on that you were a snob, and other four letter words.

But he understands that there are such things as college applications. He's a freshman in highschool, though that may not mean he is as busy as seniors or college students, but it does mean life does get harder. New friends, New school, homework, sports, and other extra curriculars. He knows what its like to be busy.

I myself had to be in 3 places at once, and let me tell you, thats no picnic. But the point is that he wasn't trying to get anyone mad, he was speaking his point. What kind of country does my friend live in where he can't even embrace his bill fo rights?

My dear, friends, rob is terribly angry with himself at this point. He is embarrassed. He has seen what you have said about him in the c-box, and he is thouroghly p-oed.

You're probably wondering, why he doesn't do anything. Well, he would if his character had been accepted by now, his character has been ready for approval for over a month now. This is his own frustration speaking out.

Don't tell that you don't act out like this when you have something to do, but no one else is helping. Its in our human nature to act out against something.

Ladies and gentlemen,

it is for this reason that i back up my friend. Rob is a nice caring boy. He is a wee bit impatient. BUT HE IS NOT A SNOB!
face it, we have lost somthing since the beginning. I beg of you not to do anything rash.

He also said that he was speaking his mind, and he has had a lot on his mind these past weeks:
ASTHMA, dislocatd knee, death, not enough money for the family, and toehhr problems that chidren shouldn't have to face everywhere.

he may not be on for a while after what you guys said to him.
im ashamed of you guys, calling him a snob and you don't even know who he is. What i started calling you guys snobs...the point is that i can't for i don't know you. You need to learn how to give people chances. Let them speak there opinion.

[Aleksei Trevelyan]

We were not attacking your friend's right to speak. (And it's not our fault he's getting butthurt.) Rather, it was the way he chose to express himself that left myself and Ann a little...shall we say, irritated.

I am a senior with mounds of college applications to power through before January 1st. Irina, also a senior, is busier than I am (with seven APs!). Ann, Arlene, Lunis, and Cat are juniors with quite a bit on their plates (APs, crew, youth groups, what have you), and Karia is a sophomore who is heavily involved in the school's theatre department as head of costumes. She does not get home until at least 7 PM each day, and then has at least two hours of homework, not to mention that she's getting sick and is too damn stubborn to stay home.

I do empathize - my life isn't all sunshine and roses, but I'm not going to get into that, because for me, this is escapism. I don't want to have to worry about Trigonometry or community service hours or trying to spread my meager funds (and I do mean meager) to purchase Christmas gifts for my family and my friends, not to mention my family's domestic and health-related problems.

You know why I don't talk about all that online? Because, as horrible and insensitive as it may sound, nobody wants to know. While I empathize with your friend, I think that this reads as sort of a pity play.

And quit putting words into our mouths. Nobody - nobody - called him a snob. Nor were we even thinking it.

Tell him that I hope his life issues clear up soon and that I hope the escapism of Valcentica works out for him, too. We were not trying to alienate him, we were trying to add perspective.

[Ann Xiang]

I said that his post was snobbish (and patronizing, because they're close to the same thing). Did I call him a snob? No. Please learn to read carefully.

And how many times must we say, WE KNOW THAT THE SITE HAS BECOME MOSTLY INACTIVE. WE'RE NOT DENYING IT. YOU STILL CAN'T USE THAT TO JUSTIFY YOUR RUDENESS. There. Can you see it? Or do I have to make it larger so I can get that point across?


"But the point is that he wasn't trying to get anyone mad, he was speaking his point. What kind of country does my friend live in where he can't even embrace his bill fo rights?

You're making the entirely wrong point here. We never took away his right to speak his opinion. (Just pretend I'm rolling my eyes here, mmkay?) And even if he weren't trying to get anyone mad, he still has to deal with the consequences that arise from his post.

Also, if you think we're not willing to give people a chance - well, just say to keep in mind that we're admins. No, that isn't a threat. I'm just pointing out that we could have done worse things than to simply reply to your friend's post, and yet we have enough self-control and maturity to not do those aforementioned things.

Stop being such a bloody hypocrite. You say we can't to pretend to know your friend, but you allow him to presume things about our personal lives. (Plus, you obviously don't understand what it means to be as busy as we are. Or at least, what you say doesn't lead us to believe that you do.)

And finally, again, I completely agree with Kitty on all her points. Including the one about no-one wants to read about how horrible and woeful another's life is, especially when we have our own problems.

[Arlene Sainz]

Okay. I was trying to stay out of this. Rob Denan's post, while it annoyed me, did not anger me the way it did Kitty and Ann. Adalia Blacke's post, on the other hand, has angered me greatly. And now I am going to speak my mind.

No one was calling him a snob. Where on earth did you get that idea? Someone said his post was snobbish. No one was saying or even thinking that your friend was a snob. After all, I could say your post was annoying, but that doesn't mean I think that you are annoying.

I'm not trying to be rude here, but you say that your friend 'knows what it's like to be busy.' I honestly can't see someone who truly knows what it's like to be busy starting his post the way he did. That 'crap that you're all busy with some sort of life' is absolutely true. And I'm sorry to crush anyone's feelings or anything, but Valcentica should not be top on ANYONE'S list of priorities. It's an RP site, RP sites are supposed to be fun, and something to do with your free time.

Free time. Therefore, not something you should feel obligated to do. Notice that at least three people have dropped off of this site because of school.

What kind of country does my friend live in where he can't even embrace his bill of rights?

All my complaints about America and the way its run put aside, maybe you don't realize the next part of that bill of rights. Freedom of Speech IF it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights, nor hurt anyone else in any way. Your friend had all the right in the world to speak his mind, but he DIDN'T have the right to phrase it the way he did. He should have expected some people to respond angrily and - please excuse my being rude here - the fact that we hurt his feelings with OUR honest freedom of speech responses causing him to go running off is NOT our problem.

Another point. 'He has seen what you wrote about him in the cbox.' Erm... and that would be?... I'm sorry, I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. All we said in the cbox was that his post made us angry. I was saying that I thought I knew the guy, but it turned out I didn't. No one insulted him, as far as I can remember.

Next point. Your friend pointed out (rather rudely, but Kitty let that slide) in the cbox that his character wasn't accepted yet. Kitty apologized and went to go look at it and respond. You can't use that as an excuse for someone being rude. You can't use anything as an excuse for someone being rude.

People get given chances when they deserve them. Someone being extremely rude to everyone on the site is not on my list of 'People to Give Second Chances.' Besides that, what second chances did you mean? Like Ann pointed out, all anyone did was respond to the thread with their own opinions.

To end, I completely agree with Kitty and Ann on everything they said except for one thing. Look, I'm sorry your friend isn't having a very good life right now. I really am. There are people who care. I would like to point out, though, that you lose that sympathy when you're rude from the offset. And you can't list that as a reason for your friend being rude when you obviously don't understand that a lot of us have to go through the exact same things, and sometimes more.

So please. Read and understand everything the admins are doing/saying before you back up your friend. I congratulate you on sticking up for him, but not in the way that you did.

[Selena Tiber]

Also, I realize he has a bad home life. And I'm sorry. But see, you people no NOTHING about ours. you don't know what our schedules are like and some of us may have WORSE home lives. But we don't--as Kitty said--talka botu them. Nor do we use them as excuses. Now, again, please understand, i empathize. But we are all excruciatingly busy. We don't have time for RP site right now, as I--and many others--are booked duntil bloody January. We are trying. Yes, the site had died a little. But this is not anything on purpose. it's because we don't have the frakking time. And if you'd like us to post, then make an interesting thread and post your god damn self. We're tired and school-busy. And Vissiand is being a needy prat and refuses to continue posting until he finishes with his own problems--which is understandable. We get a ton of homework. We have actual LIVES beyond a computer. so I suggest you try and GET one, beause otherwise you'll be sitting on your ass the rest of the year, waiting. Or make your own RP site. Or just leave. we're not making you stay. Now. I don't mean to be mean. But this is just irritating. Irritating as all hell. Do not presume to know what we're doing, thinking, or why we aren't posting. We have our reasons. If you're this upset, do someithng about it. Don't be a wanker. And also, this entire thread was bloddy pointless because all you did was get a bunch of people p-oed who don't need to be. So just shut up and wait or do someitnhg useful with your life then whine to people who don't have time to care. This isn't THAT important. And if it really is to you, then let me just say that you are a very sad, sad little man. Sorry about your knee.

Good day.